Comments on The mind and soul of Ian: YCF Issues

First off, I don't understand why two people poste...

2009-04-21T23:55:00.000-07:00

First off, I don't understand why two people posted anonymously; this group is about Christ, God, the Bible, and so on. Part of that is trust; along with that, no one is going to judge you for your opinions. Everyone is different, including their opinions on different issues.

Araken - In terms of awareness, there are a few members who seem to be doing a great job with keeping us all up to date. It's no easy task, especially in the midst of our busy lives. In addition, what honestly would be the point? We would not gain anything by electing people to do what a few are already doing!

Kriegel - I do not agree with having a leader of our age; as far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm the oldest member of the YCF, at almost 19 years old. I don't see myself fit for such a position; there are a few that I would trust in a leadership role, but not on an internet-based church, as this is what that essentially is. There are too many variables. While teens are quite capable of leadership, I don't think anyone regardless of age or wisdom should be "leading" the YCF; that role was handed to Jesus from the start, I would like to see it that way. So long as we follow and keep in line with what He says to us, through His word, we will do just fine.

As for the leader 'being there as a guide;' the best guide we could possibly have is Jesus, and the Bible. Remember, this is not a members-only club, this is, essentially, a support group and an online evangelical group. Ultimately, we should be getting as many people as we can to read our blogs, and encourage them to the other members' pages via links to them on our pages.

And, I don't believe that this group will experience chaos or confusion. Here's why:

Although, yes, we are acting as a group, we on our personal blog pages write on whatever we so choose. We read the other member's blogs, reply, give suggestions, updates, and encouragement where we can.

Now, on the other hand, if the YCF should happen to become something other than a cyber-evangelist and support group, say, a conference or something, then I would agree to leadership. However, that should be dealt with when the time arises.

This group was designed as a support/evangelical group among a group of young Christian teens/adults, hence the name Young Christian Force. I would love for it to stay that way; if we bring politics into this group, it will not only slowly corrupt that which we stand for, it will damage friendships, it will lead to chaos and confusion...Essentially, it will either become the main focus of our attention, which is not healthy, or it will die off and be neglected because of members who have disagreements that cannot be resolved, which, for the Christian community, is also NOT healthy.

I would also like for this to someday turn into a conference or some such, such as RUSH which Ian went to a couple months ago.

This group has more potential than I originally thought, as proven by the insight of every single member here. I will strive to read each blog, but it gets difficult to go around all thirty-odd of them and keep caught up.

Let's NOT end this great thing we have by turning it into a political mess; the world's governments have already done that, and look where it's led them?

And so, finally:

To the YCF, and to the way the LORD would have it go!!!

I see nothing wrong with having teens in charge of...

2009-03-02T19:09:00.000-08:00

I see nothing wrong with having teens in charge of teens, or twenty-somethings in charge, as long as they are mature. Teenagers are capable of more than society gives them credit for.

When it comes to the need to elect leaders, Araken gives such examples as "raising awareness about different stuff, suggestions for service, reaching out to other bloggers," and things of that nature. My question: Why do you need a leader for that? And if the leader has no authority, then what is the point in having a leader?

The thing is, when someone joins the YCF, everyone...

2009-02-25T21:47:00.000-08:00

The thing is, when someone joins the YCF, everyone else should know about it. That's the way it used to be, and it worked great. I know that the YCF is a lot bigger now, but we should still be spreading news about stuff like that.

If you would please clarify what you mean by "finding ourselves in a state of disorder and confusion", I would be able to respond better. Thanks. :)

By the way, why are you guys posting anonymously (the ones who did, I mean)? I'm not going to eat you or anything...:D

:)Ian(:

I agree with the other YCF member who commented an...

2009-02-25T20:03:00.000-08:00

I agree with the other YCF member who commented anonymously. My opinion would be that the leader would be there as a guide. Someone who doesn't exactly make up the rules per say, but makes sure that the YCF group's purpose remains.

When just anyone can join YCF and it continues to grow, eventually the group could find itself in a state of disorder and confusion because there would be no one to lead. However, that person would (I assume and hope) not be in the position of "dictator" who can make us post on certain topics or tell us what to do.

Although I can clearly see where Ian is coming from, I still think we should hold the elections.

Araken, I still don't see why we would need to ELE...

2009-02-24T11:01:00.000-08:00

Araken, I still don't see why we would need to ELECT leaders for that kind of stuff. It would be just as effective if some people did it without being officially elected.

My central question about the elections is this: what would be gained?

:)Ian(:

While I'm not part of this YCF thing, I think I ag...

2009-02-24T09:49:00.000-08:00

While I'm not part of this YCF thing, I think I agree with you..
For one thing, you guys are teens, right? It'd kinda be a mistake to put teens in charge of other teens..or even twenty year olds as leaders to you guys..
Maybe it's from problems I've been having at my youth group, but I honestly think that if God wanted you guys to have leaders, he would show you in a way..
But that's just my *humble* opinion..
-Judi

What I mean is raising awareness about different s...

2009-02-24T06:45:00.000-08:00

What I mean is raising awareness about different stuff, suggestions for service, reaching out to other bloggers, that sort of thing. For instance, I just posted about the Red Envelope Project on my blog.

Araken, I know that...I was just typing out all of...

2009-02-21T22:17:00.000-08:00

Araken, I know that...I was just typing out all of my thoughts a bit quicker than I could really think about them...

I just don't see what would be gained by electing leaders. If anyone is able to lead, then they can lead right now in the way that they would be if they were elected.

:)Ian(:

I see where you're coming from, Ian, and I underst...

2009-02-21T15:09:00.000-08:00

I see where you're coming from, Ian, and I understand what you're saying, but whatever governing form elected would not be able to tell anyone what to post.

I'll explain later, but mom's calling me to dinner.

Hi! This is the list of members we have so far (as...

2009-02-21T06:43:00.000-08:00

Hi! This is the list of members we have so far (assuming everyone is on it, which I am pretty sure they are).

http://young-christian-force.blogspot.com/2009/01/members.html

You will probably have to copy and paste the URL.

~Zoe

I think that we should hold elections...but not fo...

2009-02-20T13:54:00.000-08:00

I think that we should hold elections...but not for those people to boss the others around. The whole point of the leaders issue was that, like the verse you pointed out said, to let those who have the gift of leading to lead. That way we could help each other out, while still having the ultimate leader of Jesus.

Think of churches. As far as I know, all of them have preachers/pastors. What if they didn't? I guess all they would do is sit and sing. Well, if they had a worship leader. But that wouldn't be equal either. (I am not trying to sound mean at all. I am just making a point. Sorry if this sounds like that.)

But I think your opinions are well-grounded. After all, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions. This was just mine.

-a YCF member